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Buck Fuddy - Howlin' Wolf remix w/harp seasoning
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kudzurunner
5964 posts
May 05, 2016
7:38 PM
This is some ear candy:

Howlin' Goddamn Trancejazz Wolf

Cut back to 8:45 for Little F-Bomb Walter's "My Bootylicious Babe"

Last Edited by kudzurunner on May 05, 2016 7:40 PM
Killa_Hertz
1291 posts
May 06, 2016
1:25 AM
Man that's cool. Wish the while thing was old blues. But it's pretty awsome to hear the synth in the back passing to the little walter beat. The Wolf was Really Awesome.

How did you ever find that?
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MindTheGap
1575 posts
May 06, 2016
1:59 AM
Very skilful, but for me it touched a raw nerve. Remember 'Stars on 45' from the 80s? Where they took a medley of much-loved tunes and forced them all, kicking and screaming, on top of a 4/4 drum track. The 80's were a bad time, musically for me. This isn't that, but just my own response.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on May 06, 2016 2:20 AM
RyanMortos
1560 posts
May 06, 2016
5:47 AM
Ugh, that guy's avatar is NSFW. From what I did hear it was alright.

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dougharps
1221 posts
May 06, 2016
8:17 AM
If this were original music performed live by an artist, or even a current band performing a reworked cover of a song in their own version of an old song, I would probably like it.

I am not into the technological reworking the product of past performers into a modern mix for profit. I do not support that approach.

I like live music made by live musicians, or at least a recording of live musicians making music. I prefer live albums, when available. It captures the band playing NOW.

I don't like the manipulation of past films that put deceased actors into current situations, either. It is just an interested technological exercise, not performance.

I don't care for pitch correction, either. I would rather hear a modestly skilled singer who occasionally is slightly flat than the canned performance of software corrected pitch.

I guess I am just old...
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Last Edited by dougharps on May 06, 2016 8:18 AM
Goldbrick
1427 posts
May 06, 2016
8:57 AM
+1 Doug

Like drawing a moustache on the Mona Lisa and calling it art.

I suppose it might be fun in a dance club- but not what I want to listen to
Killa_Hertz
1294 posts
May 06, 2016
9:15 AM
I wanna see you guys make a Mix like that. Its not as easy as you think. That guy probably has a whole room full of gear. It takes ALOT of time and skill to make a really good beat. That's his instrument. I dont see how you can knock it. And so nonchalantly. Thats kinda messed up. Not your style is one thing, but damn.

Like someone saying " I hate when people just copy other peoples harmonica songs and try to make money off it. Ba Humbug." Everybody copies everybody. If you dont think so your fooling yourself.

That shit was tight.

Ryan ... NSFW???
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dougharps
1222 posts
May 06, 2016
9:34 AM
I said nothing to diminish the skill needed to produce the mix. I certainly could not do it. It was an excellent technological exercise utilizing interesting musical elements from recordings. It was skillfully created and blends seamlessly, so far as I could tell.

Locally we have a band that uses programmed synth tracks with a few live musicians completing the performance. They sound pretty good, but I like ALL the music to be live.

I don't care for drum machines, either, or jam tracks as backing, though I understand the economics of music that make these things necessary today.

I am not fond of loopers, but if the loops are created live, in front of me, I can accept it, but don't like it. I can maintain interest for a few songs, but would not seek out a full live performance of this, even it the players were outstanding, like Brandon or Brendon.

I understand that many recordings in the studio are performed with headphones, over tracks already in the can. I have done this on occasion.

R.L. Burnside could create a groove by making music, not digital manipulation.

When I go out for music I like to see and hear musicians working together to create music live, together, now.

I said I am OLD!
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Goldbrick
1428 posts
May 06, 2016
9:45 AM
I dont know or care how hard it is to do

I do know my attraction to blues is about emotion it evokes. You can cover or derive and bring your own feelings- thats why the blues are universal

That is devoid of feeling

I know I can pick a real guitar, play real drums and find my way around a harp
Gnarly
1790 posts
May 06, 2016
9:55 AM
I am old too--64 at SPAH 2016!
Y'all come!
But this is not offensive to me--not the Wolf stuff, the rap stuff makes me check to see if I still have my wallet.

I like to play live, and I also have done mashups and the like--and I have a laptop loaded with MIDI sequences that I sometimes use for background for my solo act.

I wouldn't seek this out, but it didn't make me click dislike.
Honkin On Bobo
1349 posts
May 06, 2016
11:44 AM
Oh the sacrilege.....the sacrilege.







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Tiggertoo1962
109 posts
May 06, 2016
12:59 PM
I suppose, like everything else in this life, it's all a matter of perspective. I know some guys who were old at 20, and one or two who are still young at 75. Did Les Paul reinvent the guitar, or did music die the day you plugged it into the wall socket? I listened to about 2 minutes of it, thought "mmm hmmm", and moved on cos it didn't really hit me where it matters. Didn't feel the need to comment though, because it's too easy to be a critic, and me giving me 2 cents worth wasn't going to change the world. I tend to be of the school of opinion that - unless it REALLY is important to get your point across - if you can't say something positive, it's just as easy to stay silent. Just as well we aren't all the same though, or nothing would ever get done ;).

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Goldbrick
1431 posts
May 06, 2016
1:27 PM
@Tigger

But your thoughtful comment is valuable. You may see something that others passed by

It didnt hit you, Why?

If all commentary is positive its like todays kids sports where every body gets a trophy so nobodys feelings are hurt and so devalues the top performers

Age is nothing but a number-Like Bob Dylan said if you aint busy living you are busy dying
dougharps
1223 posts
May 06, 2016
2:21 PM
I reacted to "Ear candy" and expressed my views on this kind of production. It is not "ear candy" to me. I am not in any way indicating that talent and hard work was not needed to record this track.

Les Paul plugging in a guitar did not stop musicians from creating music with those guitars.

I like musicians creating music. That is what draws me to venues.

My opinion... and it is OK to politely express opinions here.

Regarding living and dying, we are all doing both. It is a false dichotomy.
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Last Edited by dougharps on May 06, 2016 2:24 PM
MindTheGap
1577 posts
May 06, 2016
2:25 PM
I think the adage about if you can't say something good, don't say anything, applies when it's about saying something that might be hurtful. And it's right to consider the effect of criticism. My opinion is that Mr Fuddy won't be upset by my comments.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to say how much you like or dislike a piece of music - particularly on a discussion forum about music. Even better if you explain why.

It's nothing to do with age btw, there are plenty of things I like which are definitely not intended for someone like me to like.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on May 06, 2016 2:35 PM
Tiggertoo1962
110 posts
May 06, 2016
2:39 PM
@ Goldbrick

I find it a lot easier to say why something DOES hit me, rather than why it doesn't. It just didn't tickle the bits that need to be tickled to make me go "OOOHHHHHHH!"

Seems like you somewhat misunderstood my viewpoint though. I am not adverse to voicing critique when I think it could have a beneficial effect, whatever form that may take. I'm just not an advocate of criticism for its own sake. One man's meat is another man's poison, so who am I to say which is which?


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Goldbrick
1433 posts
May 06, 2016
2:40 PM
Some people are living only in the sense they are using up oxygen.

U callin' Mr Zimmerman a liar ? ( smile)
nacoran
9053 posts
May 06, 2016
2:42 PM
Goldbrick, if someone wants to draw a mustache on a digital copy of the Mona Lisa, that's fine with me. As long as you aren't destroying the original I think it's just part of the creative process.

I think of it more like an adaptation- take for example reworking a Shakespeare play. Maybe it's easier to accept reworkings since we don't have copies of the originals? I've seen various versions of classics. One of my favorites, actually, is the DiCaprio/Danes version of Romeo & Juliet. It's set in modern times, which I think makes it more accessible to a modern audience.

We all have our own comfort zone for music, dance, for whatever. By taking something out of 'our' comfort zone (guys who like traditional blues) and moving it into someone else's comfort zone (people who like dance mixes) you widen the audience. Yes, maybe purists won't like it, but they can keep listening to the original, but it exposes a whole new audience who maybe weren't comfortable with the old style (maybe they didn't want to listen to 'fuddy duddy' music or whatever.)

As for kids today getting participation awards, there was an interesting psychological experiment. A group of kids was given a test. Some of the kids were told that they had done really well on the test and that that must be because they were really smart. Some of the kids were told that they had done really well on the test and that it must be because they had tried really hard. Then both groups of kids were asked to take another test, which could be about the same level or harder. The kids got to pick. It turns out the kids who were told they were really smart decided to take a test that was at the same level. Their sense of worth was tied up with doing well. If they didn't do well it meant they weren't smart (or at least that was their thinking). The kids who were told they tried really hard on the other hand were being rewarded for trying hard, and they always were willing to try something harder.

So the idea of participation trophies isn't to reward everyone evenly, it's to make everyone want to work harder. (And most of the time, even when they give out participation trophies they also give out 'merit' based trophies too.) The idea is to encourage intrinsic vs. extrinsic motivation. Of course, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes. I remember once for a class assignment we all had to write an essay. The teacher submitted all the essays to some contest and everyone who had that class got a letter presented to them at the honorary ceremony before graduation (which actually was pretty terrible, because it meant we had to attend! Everyone else got to go home early. Ah, high school memories!) Ideally, I think, you'd have some sort of hybrid. For instance, in gym class every year we had to run the mile as part of the president's fitness test. One of my friend's walked the whole thing and picked flowers along the way. On the other hand, there were kids who weren't particularly fast runners who at least gave a good effort. Giving the kid who walked and picked flowers a participation award would be silly. Giving everyone who gave it a real shot an award for their effort would, at least according to the psychology test example, encourage everyone to try harder. (And again, you can still give awards for excellence on top of that, but if the fastest kid in the school turns in the worst time he's ever run, (but still wins) is that particularly worth praise? I think a better way is to measure improvement. We had a race at our school. I had one year to year period where I shaved a minute and a half off my time (middle school, I think it was a .6 mile?) It still only put me, I think, at 31 out of the hundred or so kids who signed up to run it, but it represented a huge improvement. Awards for excellence are important. I want to eat at a restaurant that got A's on it's health report and great reviews. But I also want to eat at a place that doesn't just clean right before the health inspection! Intrinsic vs. extrinsic motivation. :)

(I actually usually did pretty lousy at physical tests, except pure strength ones, but I got comments on my report cards like, 'great effort'. And I worked my butt off to get better. On the other hand, I could get top scores on tests without trying. Since I knew I could do well and it was easy to get the best score I never developed extrinsic motivation to do well (well, not until later in college).





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Tiggertoo1962
111 posts
May 06, 2016
2:50 PM
@ Doug and MTG

all good, guys. You both gave your opinions on something which was put up for comment, and also explained why you felt that way without dissing anything... no complaints there. I just don't agree that it's like drawing a moustache on the Mona Lisa and calling it art. To me, it's pretty obvious there's a lot more to it than that, whether it's my cup ot tea or not.


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slaphappy
188 posts
May 06, 2016
3:25 PM
I'm with Honkin on Bobo.

blasphemy!

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Littoral
1382 posts
May 06, 2016
4:06 PM
Killa, I hope you take these replies well, you were certainly welcome to critique the critiques.

Wolf is some revered territory so the mix was not enjoyable for me.
I bet it woulda just pissed him off.
Imagine that.
dougharps
1224 posts
May 06, 2016
6:51 PM
@Goldbrick

Nah, I am not calling him a liar...

Bob D. has poetic license to create false dichotomies in order to communicate poetic ideas.

ART!

Edit:
Come to think about it, the act of taking raw historical organically created music and reproducing it through studied technological means to make a new form of music is probably also a kind of art, and a bit paradoxical and thought provoking at that.

It is just not the kind of art that moves me, or would bring me to a venue.

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Last Edited by dougharps on May 06, 2016 6:55 PM
Killa_Hertz
1298 posts
May 06, 2016
10:37 PM
Littoral ... im just getting around to reading it. Ofcourse i dont really care ultimately people have their own opinions. I know wolf would have HATED it. He was pretty pissed about the finished product of the rotary club album. I understand the purists. But the same old thing gets boring. ( not saying wolf is boring, but you get the point.) Atleast someone is crossing over the blues to an audience who may not have heard these songs before. Someone may have heard that and looked up who it was. Now they are a wolf or little walter fan. When the old folks are all gone the music will go with you if you keep it in a can and hide it in your backyard.

I was just saying that this totally took skill.

Gold brick to say this is devoid of feeling or that it was just canned sound effects is crazy. You surely didnt know what you were listening to.

During the My Babe segment he plays my babe on the synth. It's really tight.



That's enough outta me. To each his own. I like it all.

(Just cause people seem to misunderstand my passion for agression, i ment this all in a positive way. 8^) )
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