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1847
3213 posts
Feb 17, 2016
7:33 PM
i just made a new discovery....

this could be cool. you will have to wait till tomorrow
for me to explain. because it is late.
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1847
3214 posts
Feb 18, 2016
8:29 AM
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so i have a new speaker and it will be installed in my bassman. the only problem
is it will be a month of sundays before it ever gets installed.
then it occurs to me i do not need to install it, i can just unplug one of the speakers
and connect it no problem. then it got me to thinking, what if i use a long speaker cable,
there are times when a bassman is just too loud. you could record with the amp in another room
and isolate the one speaker. or onstage sometimes the soundman wants you to turn down
you could have the amp offstage perhaps pointed at the wall and just the one speaker blasting away on stage.
or even better set the speaker on the other side of the stage pointed at the annoying keyboard player with the 500 watt amp
and give him a taste of his own medicine.........i think this warrants further experimentation.
nacoran
8947 posts
Feb 18, 2016
9:01 AM
Three of us were sitting around one day (actually, I think it was the day I blew out my first harp) in my friend's (very tiny) living room jamming. The room was cluttered and tiny enough that, sitting around in a circle, backs to the clutter/wall, we basically had to keep our feet pulled in our we'd kick one of the other guys. It was a tiny room is what I'm saying...

Anyway, we had a couple new tunes we wanted to get recordings of. All we had to record with was an old boom box onto tape, and with the bass amp and the acoustic guitar and normal singing levels we were peaking the hell out every time we tried to record. Then the bass player's brother came into the room (big guy) and there was even less room. We set the boom box out in the kitchen. We played some more and then we wanted to record something else, but there was no room for the boom box. Well, we just wanted a good enough recording so we could listen to it to remember what we were doing on all the parts so we had the bass player's brother get up and hit record on the boombox in the other room and we played. And it was the best sound quality I think we ever recorded live. (Unfortunately, unamped, I was playing too hard and my poor Sp20 A didn't make it through the day.)

It's amazing what some flexible ideas about where speakers and mics should be can do to the sound you get. :)



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bluemoose
1115 posts
Feb 18, 2016
9:06 AM
location, location, location. I often find that at clubs the band sounds a lot better in the men's room than out in the club.

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Killa_Hertz
574 posts
Feb 18, 2016
9:36 AM
Isnt this the same as if you used a line out to a cab?
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1847
3215 posts
Feb 18, 2016
9:50 AM
a line out would go to the pa. i believe they are higher voltage... this is a speaker out
which some guitar amps have..... mine has 4 of them.

it might be fun to scatter 4 speakers around the room.
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Barley Nectar
1140 posts
Feb 18, 2016
6:50 PM
I sat in with a band one night several yrs ago. The lead guitar player had a couch cushion in front of his amp. (Fender 75) In the cushion was a hole with a SM57 stuck thru it. The 57 went to the board. This kept down stage volume but FOH sounded great. That was a fun night. All kinds of stuff you can do if you think outside the box!...BN
nacoran
8952 posts
Feb 18, 2016
10:36 PM
I actually was brainstorming for crazy invention ideas one day and thought that it would be cool to have a totally modular speaker system that you could snap together, snap apart, angle however you want...

Of course, I was going to snap them together with magnets, because all my ideas have to have magnets... I figured you could probably connect them all with wifi, and in the next couple years you'd probably be able, if you were willing to have them have some weight, have them all run on a battery.

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HarpNinja
4216 posts
Feb 19, 2016
11:23 AM
Seems like a lot of work - especially hauling the Bassman just to isolate it. I wonder the volume you get coming out the one speaker (should be essentially like a 10w 1x10 aimed at you).

You may find, since you'd be micing the Bassman anyways, you'd get just as much out of using your Champ like a monitor.
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1847
3220 posts
Feb 19, 2016
2:00 PM
it can be a lot of work for very little reward that is for sure.
if anything can go wrong it will, and usually if one thing goes south
2 or 3 other things seem to happen. i would like to hear this new speaker,
things tend to sound different with a full band then they do on their own.
1847
3267 posts
Mar 06, 2016
11:34 AM
well that worked pretty well....

i took the bassman to the jam, i wanted to hear what the new speaker sounded like with a full band.
i just set the speaker on top of my amp, unplugged one speaker and plgged the new one in. really simple.

the new speaker sounded phemnominal. i was a bit surprized.

i was having an issue with the speaker cable.
the rca connection does not seem to fit very well
it is smaller then the one on the bassman, causing it to not work at times. i was very worried i may damage the amp with an improper speaker load, with only 3 speaker working at times. it may not be that big a deal
a bandmaster amp uses ony 3 speakers, and has a odd impendance, but i did not want to risk it.
just tried it for a few songs to see how it sounded then connected the speaker in the amp back up
1847
3268 posts
Mar 06, 2016
11:39 AM
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Barley Nectar
1165 posts
Mar 06, 2016
2:53 PM
Well that setup looks good but the bassman is 90 deg out of phase...(:>)
1847
3282 posts
Mar 09, 2016
6:34 PM
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i am a happy camper, the wgs speaker is installed.
the hardest part wes deciding what speaker to take out.


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