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Diggsblues
1736 posts
Mar 25, 2015
12:52 PM
When I was in School Blues was form. Sometimes substution chords addition of chords but still a form.
There was very little regard for groove. The standard flat 4 bass line and there you go.

But there are so many grooves that are part of the blues.
Just get Jimmy Lee's stuff.

When I put together Diggs Blues years ago the first rule I said was that we had to have a lot of Rhythmic variance.

This is one of the first tunes we did. A beautiful swamp blues groove from Slim Harpo.


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Rgsccr
321 posts
Mar 25, 2015
1:22 PM
I love that song and you really do it justice.
shakeylee
197 posts
Mar 25, 2015
5:11 PM
nice version.seems like you're having fun playing it!

that was one of my most oft requested song for years.i can honestly say that hearing slim harpo changed my life,and my sense of the blues.

i just heard a version by martin lang in chicago,that is really good.very different than my version.i loved it.

i think one of the best harmonica players you could ever hear is billy burns in florida. he can knock this song out of the ballpark.
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Last Edited by shakeylee on Mar 25, 2015 5:13 PM
Jim Rumbaugh
1107 posts
Mar 26, 2015
10:57 AM
"Rhythmic variance"

I have never heard "swamp groove", but I like what I heard.

when we get together it's usually:
shuffle
straight 8s
tramp groove (shotgun groove)
fast 2 beat

I have the Jimi Lee grooves and have even given lessons on the groves, but we usually settle into the 4 above.

Do you have any other suggestions or favorites for groove type or groove names?

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Diggsblues
1739 posts
Mar 26, 2015
11:43 AM
Off the top of my head Bo Diddley, Willie Dixon,
Muddy Waters and the Butterfield Band.

Butterfield is interesting as some tunes they
Change grooves during the tune.
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sydeman
133 posts
Mar 26, 2015
12:35 PM
harpdude61
2254 posts
Mar 26, 2015
1:15 PM
I really enjoyed that Digs!
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Joe_L
2585 posts
Mar 26, 2015
2:15 PM
Lazy Lester is one of the most soulful guys around. There are very few left like him. It's full of grease. There is nothing antiseptic about it.

@Jim Rumbaugh - Swamp sound typically refers to guys from Louisiana like Lazy Lester, Slim Harpo, Lightnin' Slim. Research Excello Records. A lot of sound are shuffles that lump like Jimmy Reed on cough syrup. To have it sound right, the timing has got to be exact to get the right feel. The rhythm section has to be able to do play it right and be completely locked in.

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Last Edited by Joe_L on Mar 26, 2015 2:16 PM
Jim Rumbaugh
1108 posts
Mar 26, 2015
4:34 PM
So if I say, "12 bar in G with a swamp groove" , I wonder how many would give me what I want?


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Goldbrick
926 posts
Mar 26, 2015
5:51 PM
tell him lay back and swamp it -kinda like stretching out Suzie Q





you also have mambo groove- my favorite as a drummer




chicago shuffles

Last Edited by Goldbrick on Mar 26, 2015 5:54 PM
Komuso
513 posts
Mar 26, 2015
6:59 PM
Don't forget Tabby Thomas as one of the leading Swamp Blues Guitarists. I managed to catch him live at his Baton Rouge Tabby's Blues Box Juke Joint once




There's a great double album from excello on Swamp Blues guitarists, including a bunch from Tabby.
Swamp Blues Guitarists
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Last Edited by Komuso on Mar 26, 2015 7:01 PM
PropMan
48 posts
Mar 26, 2015
9:21 PM
I would love to do Slim Harpo tunes with our band but there's no way our drummer or bass player can play this groove. We've tried working through Baby Scratch My Back a few times and it's a train wreck every time. Learning that tune years ago really helped me a lot and I must have jammed along to Slim at least 1000 times on both vinyl and CD. That band is so tight yet so LOOSE it still blows me away.
Jim Rumbaugh
1110 posts
Mar 27, 2015
5:43 AM
@Goldbrick
I would call that Crosscut Saw groove a Rumba not a Mambo. I say that due to the bass playing on the "and of 2". Why do you call it a Mambo?


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Joe_L
2588 posts
Mar 27, 2015
8:12 AM
@jim - try it, find out and report back.
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Goldbrick
928 posts
Mar 27, 2015
9:07 AM


Here is Rhumba- a little more " marching " than the Mambo-Mambo comes out more shuffly to my ear

shakeylee
202 posts
Mar 27, 2015
9:56 AM
Lazy Lester ,slim harpo ,and frank frost ,awww yeah
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nowmon
21 posts
Mar 28, 2015
9:29 AM
Westernized Blues is 12 bar 1,4,5 stuff,the tuff stuff is modal diddley bow ,no chord screamin` slide and John lee hooker stuff.them dudes who started it didn`t give a $hit about a chord....
Mojokane
796 posts
Mar 28, 2015
11:33 AM
Verry nice, your tone, phrasing...baddass vocals, too.
(don't be no rooster! HA!)...love it! Nice feel.
I like how you bend at the end of each riff..cool!
This is a popular dance number with the West Coast Swing crowd. I love it, too. Just a great groooooove!

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