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I Did Not Do That...No Sir
I Did Not Do That...No Sir
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harpdude61
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Sep 23, 2014
11:07 AM
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It was stated on a recent thread that I posted/deleted threads. Duh...I have never done that. My balls are bigger than that BS. Besides, wouldn't it show me beside a blank post?
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Honkin On Bobo
1266 posts
Sep 23, 2014
11:11 AM
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I think you were caught in the spam filter Dude, it was mistaken for a deleted post, Nate (nacoran ) sniffed it out though
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mlefree
186 posts
Sep 23, 2014
12:55 PM
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I am mystified and offended by the too-oft referred to male anatomical orbs herein. Why is it that this forum seems to give safe harbor, and even sometimes appears to encourage such sexist and offensive language?
I ask the apparently proud users of this terminology, is it really necessary to resort to such terms to express one's feelings, or is it simply a case of the lack of effective language skills to otherwise accomplish the same thing?
This inquiring mind would like an answer to this simple question.
Thank you,
Michelle
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nacoran
8025 posts
Sep 24, 2014
10:48 AM
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It was almost certainly the spam filter.
Mlefree, noted, and thanks for bringing it up. This isn't a locker room; this forum has demographics problems, and part of that, no doubt, is our own doing. Language shapes a space.. I've got more thoughts on the subject, but I think perhaps I should organize my thoughts a bit.
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kudzurunner
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Sep 24, 2014
10:58 AM
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As the webmaster/majordomo (whatever it's called....the proprietor) of this website and thus this forum, I've made it clear in the forum creed that this place is NOT a men's locker room, which is another way of saying that sexism won't be tolerated. By the same token--and there is indeed another token--the world of the blues is a world of frank talk, sometimes even bawdy talk, and although we forbid flaming and raw profanity, we cut some slack when people here--guys, mostly--talk like blues guys.
There's a paradox in there, and I don't think it needs to make sense. I'm a crawling kingsnake, baby--as they say. I've got a little red rooster. I'm packing full weight. The men call me Muddy, the ladies call me the electric man...when I plug into your socket, woman, I can do it like nobody can.
That's all good wholesome blues talk. Or at least it's blues talk. Blues women have their own version of this. Check out koko Taylor's "Flamin' Mamie."
Note: I edited this post AFTER the post below was written, so I'm not the poster 1847 is referring to.
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1847
2217 posts
Sep 24, 2014
11:14 AM
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i just deleted a post.
i did so because someone edited their post.
leaving the direct quote i used looking
like it was something i said.
when in fact it was their exact words not mine.
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harpdude61
2159 posts
Sep 24, 2014
12:56 PM
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As the OP I will apologize. No profanity or sexual innuendos were intended. The phrase I used above is something I have actually heard women say. It means I'm not afraid to speak up...I'm not a chicken shit that would post, let someone respond, then hide and see if I can trap someone into looking like a fool.
Klingons, don't lie, take hostages, or use trickery...only the weaker humans do.
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HawkeyeKane
2633 posts
Sep 24, 2014
1:05 PM
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"Klingons, don't lie, take hostages, or use trickery...only the weaker humans do."
Qap'la!
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mlefree
190 posts
Sep 25, 2014
8:38 AM
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OK, if y'all low-slung bluesharpers say so.
Michelle
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Greg Heumann
2841 posts
Sep 25, 2014
8:54 PM
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Not to go too far astray but Michelle, in answer to your query - I give you one of my favorite quotes - from none other than Betty White:
"“Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding.”
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slackwater
85 posts
Sep 25, 2014
11:31 PM
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mlefree and Betty (in case you're reading this), testosterone, it's that simple.
Maybe another term expressing testosterone levels could be used but, I don't think "male anatomical orbs" is going to work, it's unwieldy. It's got nearly
as many words in it as "balls" has letters.
..and Betty, I don't think "vagina" is going to work either.
P.S. I might keep the orbs reference in the back of my mind though, just in case I want something to rhyme with absorb..it's almost the same word twice but it might work.
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nacoran
8026 posts
Sep 26, 2014
8:22 AM
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I'm disappointed with some of the replies. The point is that there are times when discussing the blues that it's appropriate or necessary to the discussion, and there are times when it's just thrown in as part of the gag reel.
I've studied the way we use language. That's what I went to school for basically, and one of the things that has always fascinated me is situational language. Think back when you were a kid- you had entirely different sets of language you would use- on the playground with other kids, with your teachers, with your parents, with the religious leaders in your community. Most of us can slip effortlessly back and forth between modes of speech, and we are usually really good at gauging the level of the room, as it were.
For whatever reasons, lack of verbal facial cues, the way it's difficult to socially correct, testosterone, the ability to look at your words on the page as a trophy of conquest when you get the best zinger in...
And then the words just hang there, whether they were appropriate to the level of the room or not. Someone called us out for it; good on them. Language and an occasional music clip is all we have going for us here, and language shapes the place.
What shape is the place in? Look around guys. The goal of this place is to share the love and knowledge of harmonica as far and as wide as possible, and what do we have? Mostly a bunch of middle aged white guys tooting our own horns, as it were.
When someone voices a legitimate complaint, take a step back and ask, 'Is this a valid complaint'. Look around guys. Does this forum have a good demographic mix? Correlation isn't necessarily causation, but it's at least a warning flag.
And if someone complains about the status quo and we brush it off like it's nothing, and what they are complaining about is a gender issue, well then guys, we are being sexist, not just crude anymore.
I love talking about race or gender theory in the abstract but when you have to actually apply it it is often frustrating because we've got these built in ways of acting. I like that this forum makes many people comfortable enough that they feel they can say anything. At the same time, I'm asking that you all mind the level of the room. Don't make this place cliquey. This place is about harmonicas and the blues and that covers a lot of ground. There are times that conversations about the blues will be about sex or sexism or racism. You can have conversations about sexism or racism without being sexist or racist though.
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Rgsccr
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Sep 26, 2014
8:58 AM
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Right on Nate!
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isaacullah
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Sep 26, 2014
9:58 AM
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"You can have conversations about sexism or racism without being sexist or racist though."
Absolutely! But this is also why we have (to have) excellent moderators. It takes careful thought, practice, and skill to be able to discuss these issues without partaking in them, even if unconciously. For example the use of the word "guys" when talking in the plural. Now, I know that most of the time when we use that word, we are talking about people of both genders. But, as you well know, language is tricky. Unconsciously, the use of the word "guys" suggests that we are talking only to men, even if we are not. That kind of stuff builds up. It's called "environmental bigotry". Not directed at anyone in particular, not even usually meant consciously, but it's a reflection of the general values of a culture or social grouping that come out in a myriad of ways. To those that get excluded by these things, it's not just any single usage that weighs us down, it's the accumulated weight of ALL the usages of these cues that can get to us. Eventually, the baggage is so heavy that we get the hint that we're not welcome in this social grouping. It takes real effort to catch yourself when you are about to use language that has this effect. You've got to get outside yourself and think how this word you are about to use will be interpreted by ALL the people that might hear or read it. Does it really represent what you want to say?
Of course we are not all perfect, and we can't do this all the time (I'm certainly guilty too). But why not make the effort? I think you'll find that creating a more inclusive environment leads to more stimulating discussions because our community will be more diverse. Who would want to go to a forum where it's just the same four people voicing their unanimous opinions all the time?
PS. Nate, I want to make clear that I'm not picking on your use of the word "guys" above. It's quite clear to me that you were, indeed, speaking to "the guys" of this forum, and not the women.
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1847
2224 posts
Sep 26, 2014
10:11 AM
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so what is wrong with being sexist?
i remember one time at work,i asked the girl in the office
to make a pot of coffee, he reply was, make it your self
now i am quite capable of making coffee myself
made a pot just this morning, however my response to her was....
i would but... it's woman's work
try saying that sometime and see how it goes over.
i said that just to get a reaction.
"life is a great adventure or nothing at all"
it worked out well, later that day
the ups truck arrived with a 60 lb package for little miss suffragette.
can you carry this out to the car for me?... funny how that works.
yes i can carry that for you
can you sew a button on my shirt, or at least thread the needle.
a woman should cook and clean.
a man should take the garbage out ,wash the car, mow the lawn.
he should also buy her a tennis bracelet for her birthday
and tell her, how lucky he is.
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dougharps
738 posts
Sep 26, 2014
10:17 AM
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Regarding physiological descriptive terms, how about referring to having more "guts" than to delete a post?
That would be a non gender/race/faith/orientation specific reference to having the fortitude to stand your ground.
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Honkin On Bobo
1274 posts
Sep 26, 2014
11:10 AM
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I disagree completely with your take above, Nate. I think were anything done to harpdudu61, for simply saying "balls", we'd be headed down a steep slope of political correctness that would really suck. Wait, can I I say suck?
We should step back and ask if it's a valid complaint? I did and the answer for me was decidedly no, it wasn't. He didn't disparage her, he didn't disparage women in general. It wasn't a gross description of something sexual, and as an aside, if anyone is saying the use of that word is that gross, all I can say is you must not get out of the house much...or watch TV or surf the internet at all. So it seemed to me that it was one complaint from a female about something incredibly minor. Fortunately, the major domo saw it the same way and so nobody was warned (I'm assuming) and no amendements to the forum creed were necessary.
I have noticed that the ensuing discussion has now morphed into whether or not it's ok to say "guys" in here, in a situation where it's possible that somewhere the population of people you're referring to might include a gal. Wait, can I say gal? I'm trying deperately to curtail my "environmental bigotry". It does make me laugh though because I routinely hear some rather nice looking young women in my neck of the woods, in real life , address each other as dude. As I said slippery slope.
You ask us to look around in here. I have, and not once have I given a second thought to the gender breakdown of the participants, well until now (though I have questioned the sanity of some). I don't view MBH as a dating site. I thought it was a site where anybody with an interest in harmonica and the blues could come and share their opinion, impart knowledge, entertain through their playing or wit, and sometimes act ridiculous. I've always thought the forum did a great job of having an open door and being welcoming for everyone regardless of race, color, creed, gender, ancestry, nationalty and apparently, even mental stability. I find it refreshing that despite moderators, this is not an overly PC place. I always thought whether guys, excuse me, people decide to come in and hang is kinda up to them.
There's a big difference between welcoming everybody and establishing a policy which attempts to guarantee that nobody will be offended by anything at anytime. I think it would be tragic for the MBH forum to head down a PC rabbit hole.
For me the whole thing was a tempest in a teapot.
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The Iceman
2146 posts
Sep 26, 2014
11:53 AM
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That unfortunate day when someone hired a lawyer and was the first to successfully sue and win a law suit over having his feelings hurt.
Thus was ushered in the era of political correctness.
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Honkin On Bobo
1275 posts
Sep 26, 2014
12:10 PM
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Please, Iceman "his or her"......or......"their"...feelings is the preferred nomenclature (with apologies to Walter Sobchak).
We need to work on your "environmental bigotry".
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KingBiscuit
249 posts
Sep 26, 2014
1:15 PM
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Seriously? This is what it's come to? You were literally offended by Harp Dude's comment?
You must lead a sad and miserable life if something like that offends you!
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nacoran
8027 posts
Sep 26, 2014
4:09 PM
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Kingbiscuit, no, actually I wasn't offended by harpdude's comment. It was crude but not sexist. I was, however, addressing it since it wasn't crude for the sake of advancing the conversation and as an admin it's part of my job to make this place function. My second comment, however, was addressing the follow up comments.
I would encourage members to reread their comments. If they suspect they have crossed the line between crude and sexist, they might want to reconsider it, since that is in violation of the forum creed. You can be sexist in your own life, but on the forum you have to follow Adam's rules or you will find yourself taking a vacation.
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KingBiscuit
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Sep 26, 2014
5:39 PM
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@nacoron I wasn't referring to.your comment.
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eharp
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Sep 26, 2014
9:10 PM
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All this springing up from a locked thread?
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nacoran
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Sep 27, 2014
10:54 AM
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KingBiscuit, saying someone has a sad miserable life if they are offended by something, especially if they were respectful about voicing their opinion, regardless of who you are targeting it at, is a violation of the forum creed.
Iceman, we are not talking about a lawsuit here, we are talking about asking people to be respectful of other members, something you have complained about yourself when the shoe was on the other foot. I am particularly disappointed in you.
1847, "Little Miss Suffragette" is perhaps the best example of casual sexism in the thread (followed closely by Bohdi's Orb envy comment). I am not worried about whether 'guys' is inclusive or not, I am concerned about stories like this.
What is wrong with being sexist? Well, by that logic, what is wrong with being racist? Your story is a perfect example of the casual sexism that makes this place hostile to women.
Honkin, you have a habit of making light of serious issues in a way that escalates threads. Stop.
Mlefree, and any other female members of the community, please keep calling us out when we don't live up to our forum creed. It's an important discussion for us to have. For a site that, I think, aspires to evangelize this little instrument, we often have some pretty poor public outreach. The best way for the gender issue to move forward is for women to speak up. It's not just a problem on this site, but on the internet in general, and in society in general, although the internet seems to give people a feeling of moral immunity.
I'm really disappointed with you guys (and I do mean guys here, if any of you wiseasses were about to chime in).
Sometimes crudity conveys a point, but sexism never conveys a point except that you are being a insensitive jackass. Fortunately, that is not a terminal condition, and in fact it's something you can recover from with time.
Technically, this breaks the forum creed, but I'm going to post the Possum Lodge Man's Prayer.
"I am a man.
I can change.
If I have to.
I guess."
Get with the 20th Century folks. You'll never catch up with the people in the 21st Century until you do.
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The Iceman
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Sep 27, 2014
11:25 AM
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Nacoran..
Obviously this thread has ventured into odd territory.
Over the years I've watched political correctness grow. Most times I find it bordering on silly..not saying your concerns are...just that concept in general can be.
My lawyer quip was how I imagine this whole processed started and is my satyrical response. Guess I forgot a smiley face. I know we weren't talking about a lawsuit here.
As such, I don't see it as a disrespectful post. Just misunderstood by you, hopefully.
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STME58
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Sep 27, 2014
12:54 PM
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Nate wrote "Get with the 20th Century folks. You'll never catch up with the people in the 21st Century until you do."
I have found in interesting to look at the 19th century. There is a book I have checked out from the university library on occasion titled "COTTON IS KING, AND PRO-SLAVERY ARGUMENTS" I had not bought a copy because it is out of print and copies are expensive. I just found it online in its entirety. I realize that this may only be relevant to this thread in a mind that twists as mine does, but the tread inspired me to reference this book and I was excited to find in now on line.
My point is not to compare possibly insensitive comments to slaveholding, but just to give a resource that I think shows that what is obvious and commonly accepted, can seem so silly in a few generations. I have found this book very informative.
I can certainly agree with this statement by Iceman,
"Obviously this thread has ventured into odd territory."
One persons "common courtesy" is another ones "political correctness". I think there is a continuum between the two. Some things are very obviously on one side or the other, and things in the middle can be hard to parse.
Hopefully most of us can find a way to be considerate of differences and still express ourselves without being stifled by fear of the PC police.
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CarlA
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Sep 27, 2014
12:54 PM
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I love the "systematic" policing that's prevalent on this and most every other forum. It's quite hypocritical, and pretty pathetic.
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nacoran
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Sep 27, 2014
1:24 PM
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CarlA- "I love the "systematic" policing that's prevalent on this and most every other forum. It's quite hypocritical, and pretty pathetic."
Please explain.
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Sep 27, 2014
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@ncoran
Do a forum keyword search for "balls". I pulled up over 790+ hits, all used to describe vintage mics, players, gear, etc using the expression "balls" on this forum. No complaints ever noted!
Now, a female member demonstrates a concern, and this sends sheer panic and discord throughout the MBH community.
This, to me, equates to a hypocritical thinking.
Just my 2 cents.
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nacoran
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Sep 27, 2014
3:32 PM
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CarlA, if you read carefully, you'll note that I actually said that that wasn't the issue, that crudity and sexism are two separate things, and that crudity has it's place in blues and that while there is sexism in blues there is a difference between being sexist and discussing sexism. I tried several times to write a response making that point, but wasn't happy with the result, so I punted and asked Adam to weigh in. I thought, at that point, that we were all, more or less, on the same page. Then the crude comments (which kept coming) were overtaken by the sexist comments. I've tried to clarify the point. We have, technically, 4 admins (although I don't think one of them comes around anymore), plus Adam. I have, probably, the most free time to read the forum, but I don't read every comment. I'm a volunteer. I read the threads that look interesting and skim over the threads that are getting a lot of hits to make sure everything is staying civil.
We have, on several occasions, had complaints that this place was hostile to women and when we see a problem we try to address it. Sometimes, when our eyes are half-glazed over at 3 am we miss stuff. We absolutely, when we see a complaint though, read the complaint and respond to it, which is what we did here. An airline can lose all the baggage in the world and won't do anything about it until someone complains. Like I said before, we have noticed before that we have a demographics problem. We are, by and large, a bunch of aging middle aged white guys. There are exceptions, but we have gotten feedback before that we get a bit clubby around here. Think of it from the perspective of running this site. One of the objectives is to 'sell the product' as it were. Nothing wrong with that. Adam is a performer. He has lessons that you can buy and shows you can go to. For a lot of us, myself included, a huge part of what this website is is a place to talk about blues harp. As an admin, aside from dealing with sign in issues and other backend stuff, is keeping arguments from blowing up. I've never seen an email saying, 'Hey guys, there aren't enough fights going on, could you spice things up?', but I have seen emails from people saying that they aren't having a good time because people are bickering or attacking them. We have seen top rate players leave the forum because of it. I have responded when people have complained about personal attacks plenty of times. I'm sure you could think of a clever way to google how many times I've said something like, 'okay, admin hat on, memberX, knock it off'. 790 hits, out of how many posts? Do we let things slide sometimes? I'll admit, there are some times when I don't have the energy to take on a fight. Are there times when maybe I've missed a sexist remark- absolutely. Are there times I've let a borderline sexist remark slip past because I was too tired to deal with it? Yes. Particularly if it wasn't part of a pattern.
I regret not splitting my response up. In retrospect, I would responded to this in two parts- explaining the difference between crudity and sexism here, and then starting another thread to talk about sexism. I didn't, and what has kept me posting and pulling my (non-existent) hair out was the following sexist comments. I think perhaps people saw Adam was agreeing with them on the crudity point and decided sexism was fair game. That is not what Adam said. It misses the point of what both Adam and I said completely.
It's funny. Last night I was so exasperated by this thread and I asked a friend who had been a Women's Studies major in college to give it a read. His head just about exploded. He spontaneously wrote a two page essay on it to get his thoughts in order because he was so frustrated he couldn't get his thoughts out in order.
I'm not trying to turn this thread into a polemic on feminism, just make it clear that accusing a female forum member of orb envy or saying that women should make the coffee is outside of both the letter and the spirit of the forum creed.
Do we enforce every infraction? No. We don't have that much time. We are not perfect. In my book, calling someone a hypocrite is just about one of the nastiest things you can say. That said, I may be, in some places in my life, a hypocrite, but I spend every moment of my life trying not to be. I am not omniscient. I will not catch every post that is offensive in a hostile way, and I may not even agree with something being offensive; I didn't find harpdude's comment offensive. Crude, perhaps, but he was upset at being accused of feloniously editing posts (which was really the fault of the stupid spam filter). Sometimes being crude makes a point. There are other times it (fucking) doesn't. (Included so you know I am capable of swearing). We have, on a couple occasions, asked a couple members who swore like sailors to tone it down. Sometimes it's so constant it's like a verbal tic. You know what? They didn't have any problem with it. They adjusted just fine.
And last but not least, if someone is causing a problem, we ask that you let us know. Someone complained and we responded. That's how this thing works. I don't know. Maybe you can find a post where I said balls, not that I was even disagreeing with it's usage. Maybe you can even find a thread where I slipped up and said something horribly offensive in some other way. I am only human, after all. As for us jumping when a female member complains, I've responded to 4 complaints that I can think of in the last week alone, and 3 of them were from guys. If a guy complains that there is too much talk about those gentle orbs I'll respond to that too, and if he complains that someone is being racist, or anti-religious, or anti-atheist or in any other way just unsociable I'll try my best to address that as well.
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slackwater
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Sep 27, 2014
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Nate, if I go to my account page and delete my details will that delete my account from my end or does it have to be done at that end?
It's nothing to do with you by the way, I respect what you do.
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Sep 27, 2014
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BronzeWailer
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Sep 27, 2014
6:56 PM
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I don't mind bawdiness but sexism bother me.
Women still get a raw deal, sometimes very raw, in life.
This speech by Emma Watson, which you may have already ignored, says it better than I can.
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nacoran
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Sep 27, 2014
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Slackwater, to actually have your account deleted it has to be done on that end.
Cotton, Bronzewailer, thanks for the videos.
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1847
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Sep 28, 2014
10:23 AM
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Finally….
The recognition I so richly deserve
The award for the most casually sexist word used in a sentence goes to…. The envelop please…
First I would like to thank little miss suffragette, for teaching me how to make coffee.
Who would of guessed you have to grind the beans first.
I would also like to thank michelle
The one and only known woman on
Modern blues harmonica.
If you are ever in town
I would be honored to buy you a large cup of starbucks, and trade fours with you any time.
So we are going to equate a “casual” sexist remark with racism, really?
It caused someone’s head to explode? Resulting in a two-page essay.
I think we are taking this just a little bit too serious..
Then again, no one’s ever taken me that serious before.
I guess this is a sign of maturity on my part.
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isaacullah
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Sep 28, 2014
10:34 AM
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Nate, it goes without saying that you've got my support on this. I'd also like to think that you've got the silent majority of forumite's support too. Too frequently its easier to stay silent than to voice opposition to the backward ideas of a small but vocal minority. Good on you for speaking up, and saying it right. Casual sexism IS the same thing as casual racism; they are both bigotry. As a brown man, I often find it strange that people will not think twice to say something sexist to my (white) wife, but they would never dream of saying something equally offensive in a racial context to me. We need to cut that stuff right out.
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mlefree
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Sep 28, 2014
10:48 AM
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Having been away for a few days, I return to find that this thread has grown some legs. That's a good thing.
Michelle
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1847
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Sep 28, 2014
10:55 AM
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when mr so and so's,head exploded
i imagine that made quite a mess.
i have only one question.
who are you going to get to clean that mess up?
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1847
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Sep 28, 2014
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slackwater
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Sep 28, 2014
5:14 PM
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OK Nate, I'll delete whatever I can here. Could you please delete anything residual pertaining to my account? Thank you and goodbye.
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nacoran
8034 posts
Sep 28, 2014
10:11 PM
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Okay guys, I'm going to put my admin hat on. 1847, you are on administrative leave for one week. We don't hand out suspensions lightly- A couple of days ago we handed out a one year suspension. Kingbiscuit, you are getting an official warning for the remark about a 'sad life'; that's for not treating other forum members with respect. I would have been more inclined to let it pass if you had aimed it at me. Bodhi, you are, as of this thread, two posts into your membership. You are an unknown quantity. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
CarlA, like I said to Kingbiscuit, comments directed toward me I'll be more lenient with, but I don't think your comment met the criteria of treating forum members with respect in general. That's not a warning or anything. It's fine to disagree, but try to do it respectfully and I'll try to do the same. There were a couple other people throwing gas on the fire, and to them, I'm going to ask that they keep in mind that we lose members when things get crazy here. (There are good kinds of crazy, but that's a different story). Remember, text on a page reads differently than you may hear it in your head.
Again, I am not policing gender pronouns; that's a topic that is very involved and beyond the scope of what I think we can reasonably address on a harmonica forum. I find the subject of how language affects how we see the world fascinating, as do, obviously, a couple other members. There are academic institutions that will take on issues like that and culture evolves very slowly. I am, however, going to be watching more closely for remarks that clearly are sexist and calling people out on it. The goal of this forum is not to be completely controversy free, but to be accessible and comfortable to the largest number of people, or at least to the largest number of people who are willing to be polite and civil with each other. That may mean making it uncomfortable for some people along the way by taking them to task. I'm also going to ask members to take a moment, when they have a post that they aren't sure on to try to put themselves in other people's shoes before they click post message'. If I missed anything, I apologize.
-Slackwater, okay. I'll do that. (I misspoke before. To deactivate an account we have to do it on this end. I'll delete you from the rolls.)
edited because I mistyped. Sorry Kingobad.
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Uhhh... wasn't the comment by KingBiscuit? I don't see any comments by KingoBad.
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Yikes. Good catch Doug. My sincere apologies to Kingobad.
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