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Arcadiandj
22 posts
Apr 29, 2012
9:39 AM
I have got a lot of great content on line-both free and not. E.g. I have enjoyed many of Adam's free lessons, and credit him with really getting me started playing. I have also enjoyed several of his lessons for a fee on various songs. I didn't like his lesson on amping the harp so much.

I enjoyed David Barrett's site for a while and his lessons really helped me to get started on tongue blocking. But I stopped after his initial phase as he seemed to begin to focus more on music that I didn't enjoy so much-ryhthmic and not as bluesy songs.

I have paid for a few Ronnie Shellist lessons over the last several weeks. I really enjoyed his lessons on riffs, but haven't enjoyed his more conceptual lessons as much. He seems to wonder around some times and loose me-or maybe he talks above me.

The other day I started lisening to some of Lee Sankey's videos. He does a long segment on tongue blocking. I found myself really soaking up/hanging on to what he was saying. I particularly like how he starts off on easier concepts and then builds. I also like how he infuses really good suggestions on general practice, which I have found very useful.

So where have all of you found good content? Free or for fee? And what was helpful vs no so helpful about it?
Diggsblues
1238 posts
Apr 29, 2012
9:50 AM
Chamber Huang workshops
Lessons with Robert Bonfiglio
Lessons withe Forrest Scott
Howard Levy Augusta workshop
Numerous Jazz teachers
Temple University College of Music
Charlie McCoy video

Not too much in videos.
I don't think videos can ever replace the
feedback from a live teacher.
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nacoran
5610 posts
Apr 29, 2012
10:47 AM
It depends on if it's one of those known unkowns or one of those unknow unkowns!

There are times I want help with a specific topic, and I know what the question is but don't know the answer. Google can often find me a video on YouTube or a thread somewhere explaining it.

Then there are the things I don't even know to ask about. Adam's videos are great for that. They are systematic. Jason Ricci has videos that fit in that same category. If you want to learn about harp customization there are guys like Richard Sleigh. I haven't perused any pay content really. I'm poor, but I certainly haven't even come close to running out of good free material yet. In fact, it seems to come out faster than I can keep up with it. The forum is a great way to find out about these sources, both just by reading threads and asking specifically. It's tough when you ask generally. The more specific you are about what you are looking for the more specific responses you'll get.

For articles on how to modify harps, for instance, I've found Kinya Pollard most helpful, combined with a view of someone else doing the same thing on YouTube.

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FMWoodeye
312 posts
Apr 29, 2012
12:33 PM
The live teacher can assess your playing and point out weaknesses you may not even know you have. I am not a wealthy man, so I try to get my money's worth. I record the lesson and then play it back with a foot-control device so that, hands free, I can play, pause, rewind and such.
nacoran
5614 posts
Apr 29, 2012
12:50 PM
What brand foot controller do you have? What features? I've been thinking about getting something for my PC so I can do that, and scroll down lyrics and such. (A known but forgotten known!)

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FMWoodeye
314 posts
Apr 29, 2012
9:25 PM
@nacoran and tolga71...I use OLD technology. I'm a freelance court reporter, so I have a lot of equipment lying around that I don't use for work anymore. I record on a tape cassette and play back on a Sony transcriber. You can pick them up on eBay remanufactured for about $100. Other brands of transcribers are available in regular or micro cassette. Also you could buy a digital recorder and foot pedal, but the new stuff is more expensive. You don't really need high fidelity. I am ALWAYS surprised at what gems I pick up the second or third time through the lesson.
opendoor_harps
29 posts
Apr 30, 2012
12:26 AM
I had the good fortune to take some lessons with Winslow Yerxa a while back. It inspired me to explore many new areas of my playing that I had been taking for granted, relying on many of the same old riffs and comfortable patterns.

Winslow can play not only killer blues, but is well versed in Jazz, and Traditional playing in various styles and genres(both chromatic and diatonic).

This was before I had even looked at the "Harmonica for Dummies" book, which I knew little about and subsequently purchased.

As a compliment to all the great free videos and content on the web, and here on Adam's and other sites, I can't think of a better offline resource to refer to and have in your harmonica library.

@diggsblues: What a great list of inspiring players and sessions! I agree with you about the importance of the feedback of a live instructor.- BT-
hvyj
2364 posts
Apr 30, 2012
5:50 AM
It depends on whether you need to learn to play the instrument. If you already know how to play the harmonica and understand how the instrument is laid out well enough to explain it, you can get music lessons from instructors or players that play other instruments and who are willing to take a little time to understand the layout and limitations of the diatonic harp. These have been the best lessons for me. This kind of lesson focuses on WHAT to play, assuming that you already know HOW to play.
The Iceman
293 posts
Apr 30, 2012
6:34 AM
Jerry Portnoy is a great teacher that will not talk above the student. His sonic junction is a wonderful subscription teaching site. He just finished breaking down Juke in bite size pieces played verrrrryyy slooooww.
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HarpNinja
2367 posts
Apr 30, 2012
6:37 AM
Depending on your objectives, David Barrett's BOOKS are wonderful. His instruction is the most systematic and explicit approach I have found for play blues.

90% of instructors simply model things like riffs with limited explanation, and virtually no depth. With Barrett's materials, you have the option of starting with more of the fundamental theory behind playing blues. Granted, you can also just steel the vocabulary he provides, but his breakdown of they why, how, and what is exceptional.

His approach is more mathematical and less random than other stuff...either David, himself, or his editors have some sort of background in education.

Not to knock other people, as we can all learn thing via different methods, but I've found most resources to lack in a scope and sequence. They are good for learning individual pieces, but aren't very complete. Also, a lot of material assumes you can comfortably improvise.

Barrett's stuff has a scope and sequence and scaffolds to improvising over blues. It is way cool! I was able to attend one of his Master Classes with Chris Michalek. We sat in the back and I just observed what the class was doing. It was amazing to see what he was able to do with that group!

Edit: I also like how he balances learning others' material with learning to improvise. Again, there are a lot of people teaching tabs and a lot of people teaching little pieces of playing, but there aren't a lot of people sharing a complete approach like David.


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Arcadiandj
23 posts
Apr 30, 2012
7:47 PM
Thanks to all for your responses-that have got me thinking. In my original post, I was thinking about what lessons that I have listened to that my ears seemed to soak up/my idea of quality-and what gave you the same experience. But when I read your posts, I begin the think more of how I learn-which is not going to be the same for different people.

I had a harp group meeting last night and posed the question, and got the impression "the" content will differ from person to person-from stage of development to stage of development.

Perhaps a better question based on my original post-what content would you recommend for an advanced beginner to listen to that could help him move to the next level?
RyanMortos
1306 posts
May 01, 2012
6:18 AM
The majority of my instruction has been & is live teacher lessons. Nothing beats it! I have lots of books I also mess with & have watched lots of youtube videos and plenty of informal chats with jammers at open mic nights but nothing beats finding the best teacher for you to have one on one sessions with. Not to mention very few instructional materials & teachers for harmonica can actually teach you about music & music theory which for my goals is very important.

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KingoBad
1092 posts
May 01, 2012
6:49 AM
I think you just need to slow down yer horses there a bit... You can't just dismiss all of those things you just ripped through and think you are done with them... All of those avenues have allowed plenty of other people to go way past advanced beginner...

You need to figure out what might help you and stick with it. Have you mastered all of the things in the lessons you have studied? How many songs in you favorite style have you mastered?(all the way through). If you have blazed through some of the better content of teaching and come up lacking, the common denominator might just be you.

Live lessons would probably be your best bet, as I think you might need some accountability in your engagement of these lessons.

Patience is a virtue here in both learning and playing.

We all get caught up in the race to be better, just remember to enjoy the ride...

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rbeetsme
747 posts
May 01, 2012
4:59 PM
KingoBad is right on. I see too many players frustrated with learning many positions, overbows and overdraws, spending way too much time sampling mics, amps and pedals and they haven't mastered the simple stuff, like playing one note cleanly or getting good bends. There is no way I could rush through all of Adams or anyones videos without spending some serious woodshedding time.
Diggsblues
1245 posts
May 02, 2012
11:27 AM
So many people seem to think there is this big rush and in a few years you should be really good. I've worked for years on music and keep working hard every day. From time to time I even go back and review the basics. I am so happy my great niece is such a hard worker in dance. She says how in her high school of the performing arts there are kids that have only been dancing for three years that think their hot crap and she always has to correct their technique. I see guys at jams trying to play and are totally lost. The funny thing is all they would have to do is ask me anything about harmonica and I would help them. Strange people pay all kinds of money for tons of harps and fancy cases and mics but no money on lessons. LOL
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Arcadiandj
24 posts
May 02, 2012
7:10 PM
I would say one of the good things about getting older (I'm 46) is that you learn the true importance of time and how artistry is something that happens in its own (or perhaps God's) time. I'm not consciously in any hurry, although I'm sure I often wish I were more advanced. What I do want to do is make good of the time I practice and am trying to learn what needs my attention. So I look to good teachers and want to put my attention on quality content.

The past several months I spent with a teacher who was VERY skilled, but he seemed to have a template (curriculum-not even his own) that he used to direct our meetings-instead of my needs. That was quite expensive and I don't have a lot of money to burn. Hence, my original question.
KingoBad
1093 posts
May 02, 2012
7:47 PM
Perhaps you could post a sample of your playing and you could get some suggestions from others on where you should try next.

I could spend many years working through Dave Barrett's and Adam's stuff alone, so I am at a loss... They are always great to revisit as your ears and experience get better.

I personally would just start learning lots of songs if I were you. Since you have learned the stuff you needed from Barrett's and Adam's stuff, you should be good to go. Adding songs to your reperetoire teaches more than just about anything I know...

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Arcadiandj
25 posts
May 02, 2012
8:24 PM
Thanks KingoBad. I have thought about revisiting some of Adam's stuff. I usually left a lesson when I would get stuck. Perhaps going back now I can take the next step. I also like the idea of learning songs that I enjoy. Seriously good content. I have enjoyed doing that, but again, I often run into something I can't do. That's where I go looking for something new.
Arcadiandj
26 posts
May 04, 2012
10:55 PM
KingoBad this is my first attempt at video recording. I'm also trying to get comfortable with the mike and amp, but thought what the hey, why not give it a try. It is fun to jam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj_Tqa2clrk&feature=youtu.be
Diggsblues
1254 posts
May 05, 2012
4:28 AM
That's actually pretty good. You can make it around the progression in a away that shows you did your homework.


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Diggsblues
1255 posts
May 05, 2012
4:40 AM
Here's a free lesson for you.


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Arcadiandj
27 posts
May 05, 2012
12:43 PM
Diggs blues thank you so much for the feedback and the great lesson. I like your teaching style and the way you break the technique down. Thank you!
Destin
22 posts
May 08, 2012
12:08 PM
Listen to a lot of little walter and big walter
Lovett's Magnatones
8 posts
May 08, 2012
7:29 PM
Lessons can get expensive but it's time well spent. Have a plan of what you want to learn each lesson and if you're there technique wise, at least 25 percent of a lesson should be spent on fun stuff. If you come in to a lesson without a plan in mind, it's really easy for a teacher to load you up on bass lines, one and done riffs, exercises, theory workouts, etc. The best thing to do besides get lessons, is to sit down and just learn the damn thing. Learn the techniques you need to recognize what's going on in records and transcribe everything. Even if you don't write it down, wear out the rewind button on your cd player.
geordiebluesman
578 posts
May 09, 2012
1:45 AM
Kingobad, I like the advice to learn lots of songs but which songs do you recomend? what are the best songs to get in your repetoir for getting up on stage at Jam nights, that's where i am now and i could do with some guidance to make the right song choices.
Arcadiandj
28 posts
May 13, 2012
1:23 PM
The other issue I run into trying to learn songs on my own, and with some of Adam's lessons, is that I encounter something I can't do. The piece is too fast or I can't make it sound right. So I look for good content, if I don't have an opportunity to do a lesson, to help me take the next step.
hvyj
2397 posts
May 13, 2012
2:04 PM
Well, one of the things you can get musicians who play other instruments to do for you is write out melodies/heads/hooks/parts you are trying to learn in note names. Then you can convert the note names to tab and learn the part accurately.

I'm spoiled. The guitar player in my blues band and the guitar player in my duo each have a masters degree in music and the bass player in the blues band has a couple of years of college music. Great resources for me to ask what notes make up what parts of what tunes if i get stuck. Some instrumentalists need to have their instrument in their hands to do this for you--others can do it off the top of their head if it's a tune they know. Those that understand harp can also suggest substitute notes to make a tune work if the actual part has a note or notes not available on the particular harp you are going to use. The guitar player in my duo will sometimes suggest what key harp for me to use--he doesn't use the term "position" and doesn't like me to talk in terns of positions. But he's learned enough about harp layout from me to have a pretty good idea about which position will work best for what material in order to give me the notes i need.

Like i said in my earlier post, if you can play the harp and understand its layout well enough to explain it, it's relatively easy to find musicians who play other instruments who are well qualified to give you lessons on WHAT to play. But, for lessons on HOW to play, you need a harmonica instructor which is harder to find.

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Arcadiandj
36 posts
Oct 25, 2013
9:24 PM
Any new thoughts from anyone on this topic?
Rgsccr
206 posts
Oct 25, 2013
10:46 PM
I will second Iceman's post about Jerry Portnoy' lessons on sonic-junction.com. He takes a blues song like Juke or, this week, Easy, and systematically goes through over it over three or four weeks. First week he plays it through with guitar accompaniment. Then he will break down and cover various sections over the next few weeks. Finally, he posts the song as a backing track - just guitar and vocals with no harp. While there is no instant give and take as with a live teacher, he does answer questions and you can easily posts examples of your playing for him to evaluate.

Last Edited by Rgsccr on Oct 25, 2013 10:47 PM
sonny3
62 posts
Oct 26, 2013
6:15 AM
The Harp Styles of Sonny Terry is an old book I recently found that has a wealth of information.half autobiography half tabs and instruction.Really helped me learn some secrets of one of the masters.
Arcadiandj
37 posts
Oct 26, 2013
7:19 AM
Since my original post, I have been focusing on Lee Sankey's tongue blocking and Sonny Terry style lessons. I have really enjoyed his teaching style and owe him a great deal of gratitude at this point for his influence and help with my development.
WinslowYerxa
411 posts
Oct 27, 2013
11:55 AM
I'd like to second the comment that the lesson needs to address the needs of the student, not simply follow a rigid template.

Every student has unique goals and motivations, a unique body, understanding, and level of skills. A good teacher will assess these and work with the student not only to address what the student wants, but what the student needs and may not be aware of. Then the teacher delivers what the student needs in a way that the student can understand and address.

You can't get this stuff from books, videos, or any other medium where student and teacher do not interact (even though these can deliver great value). Live is best, webcam second best, and message exchange (text, audio, video) runs a somewhat distant third.

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http://www.learningmusician.com/winslowyerxa
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Arcadiandj
38 posts
Oct 29, 2013
5:16 AM
Winslow I've taken lessons from two guys. Great guys and amazing players. But I always had the sense they were using a template on me. One I know was using someone else's curriculum. Do you know of anyone in the Phoenix area that teaches blues harp?
The Iceman
1242 posts
Oct 29, 2013
6:21 AM
It's the exceptional teacher that sees the student as an individual and tapers the lessons to his abilities.

Good players are not necessarily the best teachers.
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Aussiesucker
1344 posts
Oct 29, 2013
6:28 PM
I would second the remark made by The Iceman that 'good players are not necessarily the best teachers'.

Also I think it is advisable to seek as many alternative inputs re your study of the harp eg online, books, videos plus one on one coaching. Be aware that there are pitfalls as there is a load of shit out there begging to be bought and claiming to turn you into a Harp genius in a few hours. But conversely there is some great stuff. Sometimes I have found in following just one course, even if all the information is there, it helps to read or see it elsewhere for the penny to finally drop.

Adams material is great. Winslow Yerxa's book 'Harmonica for Dummies' is I think a must have reference for easy explanation.

Another good course is 'The Harmonica Academy' which is the worlds largest online school. It covers lots of styles Diatonic and Tremolo & the English language course offers instruction split into 2 streams ie Blues and Tunes concentrating on Fiddle tunes Celtic & Bluegrass.

Only you know your goals. But I think it is largely a teach yourself instrument following set instruction plus getting coaching from someone who knows and understands your goals.

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blueswannabe
328 posts
Oct 29, 2013
8:51 PM
Initially I got my best lesson content from Adam's YouTube videos then his tabs and video lessons. Now the best lesson content I get is from continuous listening to the blues. If something catches my ear, I download the song from iTunes, and listen to the song 10,20,...50 times regular speed until I get the lick, or listen to the song using the amazing slow downer. I would say there is no best lesson content, there is varied content. Try as much as you can, you will pick things up here and there. Some things will work and some won't. Some lesson content will be better suited for you. I needed to learn by playing songs. I had no interest in learning to read music. I have also leaerned and listened to most of the teachers mentioned in this post. They all have something to teach that is valuable.

Last Edited by blueswannabe on Oct 29, 2013 9:01 PM
colman
273 posts
Oct 30, 2013
5:12 AM
It`s a great time to learn anything with internet today,i started in 1968 and the only thing around for harp was a book,it had enough to get started.what helped me was learning guitar the same time as harp.also, i got to meet all the great blues men ,even smoked herb with James Cotton,being in the clubs and soaking up all the good blues,you`ll never forget the tone !!!It don`t hurt to do some woodshedding too !

Last Edited by colman on Oct 30, 2013 5:18 AM
Rgsccr
209 posts
Oct 30, 2013
10:55 AM
While I agree with all of the ideas here - face to face lessons with a good teacher are the best, skype type lessons and other internet approaches follow - there is no substitute for plenty of practice. A caveat might be if you don't know at all what you are doing, practice might actually be counter-productive. I have improved enough in the past couple years (after, oh, let's see, about forty years of pretty awful playing) to be asked to play in a pretty good blues band, with the assistance of all of these methods, but mainly with a lot of practice. I play something every day, and usually spend at least half an hour during the day and again at night. I also play a number of songs every day - always Juke (kind of master class in itself, at least for me), something by John Lee Williamson, Paul deLay, and Paul Butterfield. With time I have gotten to where I can play pretty close to the original tunes as my technique and ear have improved. Of course, I have plenty of room for improvement (as in, infinite room), but I am making good progress. So, while there are many ways to get help, for me, there is no substitute for wood-shedding.

Last Edited by Rgsccr on Oct 30, 2013 10:56 AM
Littoral
1004 posts
Oct 30, 2013
11:29 AM
Frank: "This is merely common sense in my view and the only way I can sincerely ENJOY the process of teaching a student - Pity if this is exceptional".

A pity perhaps but by FAR FAR FAR the norm.
("this" refers to The Iceman's comment "It's the exceptional teacher that sees the student as an individual and tapers the lessons to his abilities".)
+90% of teachers teach by attempting to present information in the very best way that they can conceive to do so. Admirable enough but a crappy way to learn. It's a good thing humans are really smart because we can still learn anyway. It certainly makes sense to teach by prioritizing the students perspective/needs/questions to drive their development (tapered to their ability) but it's really (REALLY) difficult to do.

Last Edited by Littoral on Oct 30, 2013 11:39 AM
Diggsblues
1294 posts
Oct 30, 2013
1:18 PM
I think when you teach any student you have to start at
where they're at. You also have to judge how to help
improve technique, musical knowledge and what's the best
way to achieve results based on the students interests and goals. I have found some students want to tell the
teacher how to teach. This is always a road block to helping the student get better. It becomes a challenge to make them think your doing what they want while trying to do what you feel is best for the student.

Emile
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Joe_L
2384 posts
Oct 30, 2013
4:58 PM
Records. Nobody mentioned those. Listening and trying to recreate the stuff there. You can hear the context in which things fit. Start simple. Start with Jimmy Reed. A person can learn a lot from Jimmy Reed records.

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Kingley
3240 posts
Oct 30, 2013
10:12 PM
Joe makes an excellent point.
So many people seem to be locked into the I must pay for lessons from this site or from this teacher, or buy this course, kind of mentality. I suppose that's just a product of the time we live in and the internet age. Listening to the music and growing big ears though is the method that pretty much every great player has used to learn their craft.
The Iceman
1247 posts
Oct 31, 2013
4:52 AM
Understanding a student's motivation for playing, his psyche and also his tendency to "fool himself" give the teacher more options in how to move that student forward in his pursuit of learning harmonica.

It's more than just teaching technique.

It's about understanding music, how to "play silence" and what is/how to attach to a groove.

Often I will distract a student - make him look over there while I sneak in something over here - in order to help him "remove himself (meaning ego) from the equation".

Reinforce the fact that NONE OF THIS IS HARD AT ALL. (It's amazing how fast a beginner can learn to bend all notes to pitch if he is not told that this is hard to do and takes years of practice).

Everyone has a full life experience of music knowledge/theory already inside. This comes from our exposure of music done correctly constantly assaulting our ears - movie soundtracks, elevators and grocery stores, radio, tv, etc.

The trick is to help a student quantify or put a label to what they already know, which is a lot less work than learning something new from the ground up, which is how most perceive music theory to be.

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Diggsblues
1296 posts
Oct 31, 2013
6:59 AM
There was a famous teacher Dennis Sandole in Philly.
Dennis Sandole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He and his teachers taught something called the Jazz outline.
Pretty much set in stone. You came every week no exceptions. Even if you didn't make it you still paid for lessons.
I studied for two years with one.


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Diggsblues on Oct 31, 2013 7:03 AM
Martin
499 posts
Oct 31, 2013
7:28 AM
"Good players are not necessarily the best teachers," quoth The Iceman and you can quoth that again. One of the world´s foremost jazz guitarists live in my home town and a friend of mine took a lesson from him once. The session pretty much consisted of the teacher pocketing the money, then he played scales for a few minutes ("Scales, see"), then he had a pressing engagement, gotta run.
But the two can coincide.

The problem is that the ability to teach is not immediately demonstrative -- as good playing pretty much is --, and there´s also this strange prejudice that it´s a bit un-cool to teach ("those who can, play; those who can´t, teach").

This in combination with the ridiculous notion that´s spreading among the young about the time it takes to master something like an instrument (Lee Sankey has addressed this an an excellent video), "I´ve been going at it for two months now and I STILL don´t sound like Little Walter -- this must be my teacher´s fault"; and the unwillingness to pay for qualified guidance does not bode well for the future of music pedagogy.

Still, remember that some of us, with zero prior musical knowledge and no particular "talent", did it all by ourselves. There simply wasn´t any other way.
Rgsccr
210 posts
Oct 31, 2013
9:13 AM
While Martin is correct about such an attitude, I can tell you it is not a new thing (maybe more prevalent). Back in the '70s I was a tennis pro (teaching pro at a club), and I remember any number of students who came to me because the other pro wasn't doing the job (or vice versa as they went to him). These were the students who took a lesson and then didn't pick up a racket until the next lesson. I'm sure someone on this list said something like - if you don't blow and suck (your harmonica), you will definitely suck. One other thing, when I mentioned that my primary practice method is to play various songs, I should add that normally I am playing along with the record and trying to match the harp as close as possible. Additionally, working at home, I am able to have blues on in the background most of the day so it is always in my head. For me, having the blues in my head is essential to learning to play them.

Last Edited by Rgsccr on Oct 31, 2013 9:15 AM
Littoral
1005 posts
Oct 31, 2013
11:46 AM
Listen to records.
2nd that. How many have I worn out?
I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
Perseverance has worked for me, Levy and JR excepted, but I've made a whole lot of progress there too!


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